At the 2024 Resnick Aspen Action Forum, we interviewed Patrisse about her work, inspiration, and learnings as a leading social changemaker.

Can you speak to your contemporary definition of abolition?

I’m a modern day abolitionist. I believe, not just in the undoing of the carceral system and the police system, but I believe that we need to transform our culture into an economy of care versus an economy of punishment. I think what’s most important as we live our lives is how we treat each other, how we relate to each other, and how we show up for each other in our everyday lives. That’s what abolition means to me.

Why do you see art and artists as key drivers for social change? 

I believe artists are at the center of shifting culture. I think the work that we do helps not just transform our everyday lives, but eventually transforms policy and actually creates a new world – imagines a new world for all of us. The artist is often seen as the person who has the hobby on the side, but I believe that artists should be at the beginning of a strategy. 

Can you share a story around how you’ve seen art lead to change at the policy level? 

When I was 26 years old, my brother came home after doing an eight year sentence in state prison, California. He was given that sentence because he suffers from severe mental illness and instead of receiving care, he received prison time. When he came home, I actually came across the American Civil Liberties Union’s 86 page complaint that detailed the abuse that people in jail were facing at the hands of the sheriff’s department. 

When I read that 86 page complaint, I remembered my brother’s story. My brother was a victim of sheriff violence when he was 19 years old. I immediately called him and said, the sheriffs are finally being held accountable. And he said, finally, I also knew I wanted to make an art piece, and I created a performance piece called Stained, an intimate portrayal of state violence. And toured that piece around LA County, using the 86 page complaint, using my mom’s archive, everything she documented about what happened to my brother during that time, and also using audio of the Los Angeles County Blue Ribbon Commission talking about this issue of shared violence. Through that art piece, I actually created an organization called Dignity and Power Now and now after 11 years, the organization has successfully changed policy in Los Angeles County, stopped a mental health jail from being built and has pushed resources into care,  into a county that actually believes in care. That’s the power of art.

You’ve been driving change and building movements your entire life. What has been your biggest learning from doing this work? 

My biggest learnings doing this work is to never give up, because the moment we give up, we become complacent to systems that harm us. And the moment we realize that we can keep going, keep fighting, keep being joyful, keep shifting, keep growing, keep transforming – that’s the moment that we actually do change the world.

How do you resource yourself to keep going in the face of challenge? What advice do you have for changemakers? 

I have the terrible gift of doing too many things, and so I resource myself by reminding myself that my art is actually at the center of my soul and that I have to keep creating in order to keep going. I also resource myself by regularly going to therapy. I most definitely believe in a therapist. I also resource myself by being in community and around people that I love and trust and that I know will take care of me, and I take care of them.

I think the last four years have been a special kind of hell for a lot of people, both personally, professionally, politically, emotionally, spiritually, and every day, I remember at a certain point I’d be like, ‘okay, just one day at a time, it’s all going to be different.’ I never thought that I’d live in so many unprecedented moments, and yet here we are living in so many unprecedented moments collectively. 

I think that part of the work is to keep showing up and being present for what is right now. Getting out in nature is also helpful. I think giving ourselves the opportunity to not be reactive, to sit in a place of curiosity, and to lean into listening deeply is really important.

What’s the role of the community in your leadership? 

Community is absolutely critical. Community is what keeps me afloat, and being in community, holding space for community, and creating community reminds me how important I am, how valuable I am, but also how valuable everyone else is.

Where do the roots of your resilience come from?

The roots of my resilience really come from my childhood and being encouraged to be my full self, even when the outside world was not encouraging me to do so. I remember dancing very, very early on, my mother playing music really loud on Saturday mornings and just dancing. That was such an important practice for me and I kept dancing. I was just dancing this morning in my room. 

What is your vision for that brighter future?

I believe that we deserve a world where we can walk down the streets and not worry about gun violence, where we can show up to our schools and have adequate public education where we can have access to clean water and not be drinking water full of lead, where we can have access to care and healing, where we can have a healthcare system that’s not led by big business, where we can have elected officials that actually are caring for the ones who are most marginalized. I believe that that world isn’t just possible. I think that world is absolutely necessary. 

What is your invitation for other leaders who might want to get involved in the work you do?

My invitation for folks is to lean into your imagination, to take that spark of your imagination seriously, and to believe in your imagination and to believe in the collective imagination. So much more is possible when we do it together.